John Barrowman Maybe?

Colonel K

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Barrowman waggled his willie a decade and a half ago in a non-threatening/non-sexual way, that he has apologised for on numerous occasions. It's re-emerged in the news and now his career is in jeopardy.

Ant McPartlin nearly kills a family whilst driving p*ssed out of his brain, is convicted in court and yet he continues to get paid millions by ITV.
 

Kamelion

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Barrowman waggled his willie a decade and a half ago in a non-threatening/non-sexual way, that he has apologised for on numerous occasions. It's re-emerged in the news and now his career is in jeopardy.

Ant McPartlin nearly kills a family whilst driving p*ssed out of his brain, is convicted in court and yet he continues to get paid millions by ITV.

Russell T. Davies was the producer of both Doctor Who and Torchwood and considering that he took no such action against John Barrowman as BBC has in the last few weeks, either he was negligent or BBC is bullying John Barrowman now.

If you look at the statements released by Big Finish and BBC in regards to Time Fracture, they are almost word for word the same, which shows that BBC was speaking through Big Finish (which they have total control over when it comes to Doctor Who and Torchwood), and that's just not cool in 2021. I feel that BBC is harassing John Barrowman and not just harassing him directly, but using their leverage over licensees. If John Barrowman were to sue BBC, Big Finish would naturally be a party by participation even while being forced into such conduct.
 
Russell T. Davies was the producer of both Doctor Who and Torchwood and considering that he took no such action against John Barrowman as BBC has in the last few weeks, either he was negligent or BBC is bullying John Barrowman now.

If you look at the statements released by Big Finish and BBC in regards to Time Fracture, they are almost word for word the same, which shows that BBC was speaking through Big Finish (which they have total control over when it comes to Doctor Who and Torchwood), and that's just not cool in 2021. I feel that BBC is harassing John Barrowman and not just harassing him directly, but using their leverage over licensees. If John Barrowman were to sue BBC, Big Finish would naturally be a party by participation even while being forced into such conduct.
No, what barrowman did was harassment, the BBC have done the right thing, they should have done something about it a lot earlier though
 

Kamelion

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No, what barrowman did was harassment, the BBC have done the right thing, they should have done something about it a lot earlier though
I don't believe so but I can certainly understand why someone would fly off the handle and just automatically assume so. Were you there?

This raises (no pun intended) the question of just when is it appropriate to pull your dick out in the UK. Yes, there are times. You can pull your dick out and not be violating any laws in the UK, in private, as in the audience of consenting adults. Not just at an orgy either where such conduct is encouraged. The sets of Doctor Who and Torchwood are not public events (which is why you and no other fans were there). These were private gatherings. If John Barrowman slapped out his schlong in the company of private attendees who were consenting adults, then someone should have complained back then. The fact that little action was taken and that it was resolved back then leaves that as a private happening and now, a decade later the BBC has made it public. See, that's harassment which in my opinion is far worse than the original transgression.

Someone did complain back then by the way and John Barrowman was asked to remain and he complied.
 
I don't believe so but I can certainly understand why someone would fly off the handle and just automatically assume so. Were you there?

This raises (no pun intended) the question of just when is it appropriate to pull your dick out in the UK. Yes, there are times. You can pull your dick out and not be violating any laws in the UK, in private, as in the audience of consenting adults. Not just at an orgy either where such conduct is encouraged. The sets of Doctor Who and Torchwood are not public events (which is why you and no other fans were there). These were private gatherings. If John Barrowman slapped out his schlong in the company of private attendees who were consenting adults, then someone should have complained back then. The fact that little action was taken and that it was resolved back then leaves that as a private happening and now, a decade later the BBC has made it public. See, that's harassment which in my opinion is far worse than the original transgression.

Someone did complain back then by the way and John Barrowman was asked to remain and he complied.
The point isn't whether it was in public or not, it was that no one knew he was gonna do it and no one wanted him to do it, just because not everyone involved complained doesn't mean they where comfortable with him doing it so the fact is he should never have done it at all. And the fact that at least one person DID complain means it wasn't consensual at all.
 
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I mean imagine if it was any other job apart from acting, he'd have been fired instantly if it was any other place of work, a set is no different, the Man's supposed to be a professional and if getting his Dick out wasn't part of the job he should never have done it
 

Kamelion

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I mean imagine if it was any other job apart from acting, he'd have been fired instantly if it was any other place of work, a set is no different, the Man's supposed to be a professional and if getting his Dick out wasn't part of the job he should never have done it
Okay, I am imagining.... Let's say it was the set of a porno being shot. He could be fired for not getting his dick out if that's what the job required. But that's an extreme example.

No, he wasn't fired back then, which very clearly demonstrates that it was allowed. The show runner Russell T. Davies was completely responsible and he didn't terminate John Barrowman back then. So that means it was allowed. But I am not saying that he should have done it. What I am surprised about is that the other actors he was working with consented to it and that RTD clearly allowed it. That is what surprises me.

Even Camille Coduri admits in public that she consented to it, right here:

 
Okay, I am imagining.... Let's say it was the set of a porno being shot. He could be fired for not getting his dick out if that's what the job required. But that's an extreme example.

No, he wasn't fired back then, which very clearly demonstrates that it was allowed. The show runner Russell T. Davies was completely responsible and he didn't terminate John Barrowman back then. So that means it was allowed. But I am not saying that he should have done it. What I am surprised about is that the other actors he was working with consented to it and that RTD clearly allowed it. That is what surprises me.

Even Camille Coduri admits in public that she consented to it, right here:

You don't seem to be getting my point, clearly not everyone on set was okay with it or someone wouldn't have complained at the time and my point is he SHOULD have been fired for that juvenile unprofessionalism, better late than never. The argument "It was okay at the time" is not helpful either nobody should be exposing themselves in a professional environment if their job doesn't call for it and last time I checked that kind of nudity wasn't shown in Doctor Who (heck I don't even think Torchwood went that far) and especially if not everyone is okay with it, even if one person said they where okay with it doesn't mean everyone was and it should never have been allowed to happen.
 

Kamelion

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Oh you are totally correct. There was in fact a person on a set that complained to someone. Here, fuck, let me google that. Yeah googles black and white logo today sucks....

Okay let me see here.... ITV, Sky and BBC ban Noel Clarke and John Barrowman....

The Guardian - UK
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Kamelion

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No, not that article. Still looking. There is absolutely 100% a news article out there somewhere that not only names the BBC employee that lodged the complaint but it also names the supervisor that took the complaint and a claim that he or she disciplined John Barrowman and that he 'never did it again'.

Darn it, I am usually better at keeping track of stuff like that. If anyone can find that news article I would appreciate it if you would post it here.
I know it exists and I am not crazy. LOL!
 

The One

Administrator
No, not that article. Still looking. There is absolutely 100% a news article out there somewhere that not only names the BBC employee that lodged the complaint but it also names the supervisor that took the complaint and a claim that he or she disciplined John Barrowman and that he 'never did it again'.

Darn it, I am usually better at keeping track of stuff like that. If anyone can find that news article I would appreciate it if you would post it here.
I know it exists and I am not crazy. LOL!
You may be looking for the report that ...... Oh, the woman has had her name changed now? The original article said who it was at BBC.

Doctor Who's John Barrowman Issues Apology After Flashing Allegations Resurface​

Doctor Who's Noel Clarke has been under fire in recent weeks following claims of sexual harassment and misconduct on the sets of his shows. Now, past known allegations are also rising against another prominent actor within the franchise. John Barrowman has apologized again to the fandom after past accusations of flashing on the show's set have resurfaced.

Public interest in the claims of John Barrowman exposing his genitals on the sets of Doctor Who and Torchwood was reignited by the recent allegations of misconduct against actor Noel Clarke, who was also on the series around the same time. Allegations made years prior by various cast members (including Clarke) claimed that Barrowman would randomly expose himself on set and even hit cast members with his penis at random.

The Guardian then spoke to several sources who then confirmed John Barrowman repeatedly exposed himself on set, though not in a manner that one would perceive as sexual. One woman, who had her name changed for the article, stated that while Barrowman exposing himself to her and others on set made her uncomfortable, there was never a time in which it happened that she felt unsafe. While Barrowman's lawyers said he "could not recall" specific instances mentioned in the article, the actor did give a statement apologizing for any resurfaced claims and new ones from his early years on the show:

"With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously. Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed."

As the quote above mentioned John Barrowman had to answer for the flashing allegations over a decade prior. Executive producer Julie Gardner confirmed she confronted the actor in 2008 about allegations on the set of Torchwood and that to her knowledge, the activity halted soon after. Barrowman apologized later that year in a BBC Radio 1 interview saying that his behavior went too far.

The past claims about John Barrowman and any new ones sprang up after a viral video surfaced in which Noel Clarke spoke of the actor's flashing habit to convention-goers at a Chicago TARDIS convention in 2014:

"Barrowman was there taking his dick out every five seconds. Every five seconds just hitting it on things like [taps microphone against thigh]. You can't help but laugh. Chris would be like 'Be serious I'm concentrating on my acting.' [taps microphone on woman next to him]. John Barrowman."

Not long after telling that story, Noel Clarke asked Doctor Who co-star Camille Coduri, who played Rose Tyler's mother Jackie, if she remembered the time John Barrowman "put it on her shoulder in the makeup room." Coduri confirmed that she did but didn't want to bring it up. Clarke then followed up with a warning to men at the panel not to try it, or they'd get fired and go to jail.

Barrowman recently returned to the Doctor Who franchise, years removed from the allegations and apology that he gave for past actions. It's been rumored the actor will return to the series in Season 13, though there are no guarantees given how tight-lipped the franchise is during production."

Okay. Good enough for me.

The One.
 
My guess is the current banning of Barrowman is a temporary measure by the BBC while they investigate the claims made against him but more significantly Noel Clarke and that if the investigations don't find anything more troubling in regards to Barrowman the ban will be lifted.
 
Since I've caved and chosen to use this forum, I'll at least say that while Barrowman shouldn't have done what he did, I don't think he should be punished. As far as he knew everybody was okay with it. Clearly, everyone wasn't, but as much as it sucks to say: If you don't say something, nobody can know. But as far as I know, he had no reason to think what he was doing was wrong, as everyone seemed fine with it. It should NOT have happened, but this isn't like someone doing something horrible but saying 'it was okay at the time.' This is someone being inappropriate with zero bad intentions, just for shits and giggles. I doubt it came out of nowhere. It was probably something built up to. He probably pushed to see what jokes he could make and realized he basically had free reign and ran with it. He was never given an indication at the time that it was wrong and he clearly had zero poor intentions, he's clearly a very good person, it was clearly never meant to hurt anybody. I fully believe that if he had been told to stop, he would have. And I think he did at some point. He thought it was okay, the people around him acted like it was okay. It wasn't behavior that should have happened, but unlike sexual harassment, this is something that had no nastiness intended.
 

Rebecca Chamberlin

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Since I've caved and chosen to use this forum, I'll at least say that while Barrowman shouldn't have done what he did, I don't think he should be punished. As far as he knew everybody was okay with it. Clearly, everyone wasn't, but as much as it sucks to say: If you don't say something, nobody can know. But as far as I know, he had no reason to think what he was doing was wrong, as everyone seemed fine with it. It should NOT have happened, but this isn't like someone doing something horrible but saying 'it was okay at the time.' This is someone being inappropriate with zero bad intentions, just for shits and giggles. I doubt it came out of nowhere. It was probably something built up to. He probably pushed to see what jokes he could make and realized he basically had free reign and ran with it. He was never given an indication at the time that it was wrong and he clearly had zero poor intentions, he's clearly a very good person, it was clearly never meant to hurt anybody. I fully believe that if he had been told to stop, he would have. And I think he did at some point. He thought it was okay, the people around him acted like it was okay. It wasn't behavior that should have happened, but unlike sexual harassment, this is something that had no nastiness intended.

You're not alone as I have decided as of today to use this forum also and just see how it goes. Several of my posts were deleted with no explanations on the 'other forums'. Not here. On Gallifreybase which is apparently a convention website and I didn't know that.

What I am hoping for and have my fingers crossed, and I actually think I am right, this is going to be the main Doctor Who forum in pretty quick order, because they brought back the original, apparently one of the founders is original and it seems that the main issue with bully treatment of fans is front and center. I can not ignore a good faith effort like that and I will just sit here and wait and watch.

With John Barrowman there are two sides to this razor edged sword that BBC is wielding. If he was in fact inappropriate in set dealings back then a decade ago, why did BBC not do anything about it back then? I do not believe that he had bad intentions or meant to so called 'sexually assault' people. And if that had been the case back then, why would the producer, Ruseel T. Davies not intervene? Unless he supported it?

In an odd way it would seem that John Barrowman is being bullied and harassed by BBC in a situation that BBC should have professionally controlled over a decade ago.

Where is the accountability for Russell T. Davis and other staff? Why is John Barrowman being targeted by BBC for banning and harassment? Because he is gay maybe?

Rebecca
 

Dr. Church

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You're not alone as I have decided as of today to use this forum also and just see how it goes. Several of my posts were deleted with no explanations on the 'other forums'. Not here. On Gallifreybase which is apparently a convention website and I didn't know that.

What I am hoping for and have my fingers crossed, and I actually think I am right, this is going to be the main Doctor Who forum in pretty quick order, because they brought back the original, apparently one of the founders is original and it seems that the main issue with bully treatment of fans is front and center. I can not ignore a good faith effort like that and I will just sit here and wait and watch.

With John Barrowman there are two sides to this razor edged sword that BBC is wielding. If he was in fact inappropriate in set dealings back then a decade ago, why did BBC not do anything about it back then? I do not believe that he had bad intentions or meant to so called 'sexually assault' people. And if that had been the case back then, why would the producer, Ruseel T. Davies not intervene? Unless he supported it?

In an odd way it would seem that John Barrowman is being bullied and harassed by BBC in a situation that BBC should have professionally controlled over a decade ago.

Where is the accountability for Russell T. Davis and other staff? Why is John Barrowman being targeted by BBC for banning and harassment? Because he is gay maybe?

Rebecca


Hi Rebecca and I for one just got your tongue in cheek joke there "because he is gay maybe?" No. Certainly not. You know that and you very successfully raised some distinct issues with that joke. See, the BBC isn't just a ramshackle roadside stand out in the untraveled areas. It's an actual company that has accountability and I think that more than likely includes that old-fashioned thing called a Human Resources department. John Barrowman aside from being an employee of BBC is in a protected class due to being homosexual and outspoken yet I do believe that his age now falls into place as a member of protected class as well. If he did in fact have his genitals exposed during private sessions that were not open to the public, it would have been an obligation for anyone offended to seek council with BBC's Human Resources Department. Their failure to do so at the time certainly can not be blamed, yet it absolutely does raise the question as to if the 'Show Runner" Russell T. Davies condoned or overlooked any malfeasances and absolutely why would he not be punished as the 'Show Runner"? It makes no sense. It does clearly show the BBC running around with their trousers down so to speak. But you are correct in that they are treading a very fine line when it comes to what could be perceived as harassment of a protected class on multiple levels. My son is gay and I will do everything in my power to protect him.

Certain John Barrowman's legal council are aware of these issues and he seems to be doing well from what I have seen of his frequent videos he is posting from over there in California. He looks well, and if he's been railroaded by the BBC for something that was not resolved properly by the BBC way back when, I hope he sues the ever loving bareback ass off of BBC for the harassment, mistreatment and damage to his career by BBC.

I see men's genitals every day. We have a nude beach in walking distance from our home and people elect to be nude in public. There are no complaints from locals as we knew of the beach before we moved here. In addition to men being nude there are also nude women and the public display of mammaries is just as refreshing to woman as it is to men. Who doesn't enjoy a a free lass with her jugs out and undulating with every move? That is timeless and it is classic human nature. So who is to judge John Barrowman for slanging around the schlong in good nature when it has even been resolved many, many years ago? If the actresses has been walking around topless in good fun would people care as much? It just smacks of unfairness and BBC is in a very, very dangerous situation with their attacks on John Barrowman and censorship of his involvement in productions, as it clearly demonstrates a failure on their part and it reeks of discrimination of a protected class.
 
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Kamelion

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I had never considered the fact that John Barrowman is in a protected class. Isn't he in his 50's or something like that? I'm pretty sure he has a good attorney and for BBC to damage his career is the exact thing that entities like BBC get sued for doing to protected classes. May John Barrowman live long and prosper.

Kamelion
 

Zach

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Of course John Barrowman is in a protected class as he is bordering on elderly. You can see the crows feet in his videos out there in California with his lover. I love John Barrowman and what BBC has done to tarnish his reputation is unspeakable. I am sure he has a good attorney or fleet of them and I am sure we will see him back.
 
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