What's a good conversation to start now? John Barrowman maybe?
Barrowman waggled his willie a decade and a half ago in a non-threatening/non-sexual way, that he has apologised for on numerous occasions. It's re-emerged in the news and now his career is in jeopardy.
Ant McPartlin nearly kills a family whilst driving p*ssed out of his brain, is convicted in court and yet he continues to get paid millions by ITV.
No, what barrowman did was harassment, the BBC have done the right thing, they should have done something about it a lot earlier thoughRussell T. Davies was the producer of both Doctor Who and Torchwood and considering that he took no such action against John Barrowman as BBC has in the last few weeks, either he was negligent or BBC is bullying John Barrowman now.
If you look at the statements released by Big Finish and BBC in regards to Time Fracture, they are almost word for word the same, which shows that BBC was speaking through Big Finish (which they have total control over when it comes to Doctor Who and Torchwood), and that's just not cool in 2021. I feel that BBC is harassing John Barrowman and not just harassing him directly, but using their leverage over licensees. If John Barrowman were to sue BBC, Big Finish would naturally be a party by participation even while being forced into such conduct.
I don't believe so but I can certainly understand why someone would fly off the handle and just automatically assume so. Were you there?No, what barrowman did was harassment, the BBC have done the right thing, they should have done something about it a lot earlier though
The point isn't whether it was in public or not, it was that no one knew he was gonna do it and no one wanted him to do it, just because not everyone involved complained doesn't mean they where comfortable with him doing it so the fact is he should never have done it at all. And the fact that at least one person DID complain means it wasn't consensual at all.I don't believe so but I can certainly understand why someone would fly off the handle and just automatically assume so. Were you there?
This raises (no pun intended) the question of just when is it appropriate to pull your dick out in the UK. Yes, there are times. You can pull your dick out and not be violating any laws in the UK, in private, as in the audience of consenting adults. Not just at an orgy either where such conduct is encouraged. The sets of Doctor Who and Torchwood are not public events (which is why you and no other fans were there). These were private gatherings. If John Barrowman slapped out his schlong in the company of private attendees who were consenting adults, then someone should have complained back then. The fact that little action was taken and that it was resolved back then leaves that as a private happening and now, a decade later the BBC has made it public. See, that's harassment which in my opinion is far worse than the original transgression.
Someone did complain back then by the way and John Barrowman was asked to remain and he complied.
Okay, I am imagining.... Let's say it was the set of a porno being shot. He could be fired for not getting his dick out if that's what the job required. But that's an extreme example.I mean imagine if it was any other job apart from acting, he'd have been fired instantly if it was any other place of work, a set is no different, the Man's supposed to be a professional and if getting his Dick out wasn't part of the job he should never have done it
You don't seem to be getting my point, clearly not everyone on set was okay with it or someone wouldn't have complained at the time and my point is he SHOULD have been fired for that juvenile unprofessionalism, better late than never. The argument "It was okay at the time" is not helpful either nobody should be exposing themselves in a professional environment if their job doesn't call for it and last time I checked that kind of nudity wasn't shown in Doctor Who (heck I don't even think Torchwood went that far) and especially if not everyone is okay with it, even if one person said they where okay with it doesn't mean everyone was and it should never have been allowed to happen.Okay, I am imagining.... Let's say it was the set of a porno being shot. He could be fired for not getting his dick out if that's what the job required. But that's an extreme example.
No, he wasn't fired back then, which very clearly demonstrates that it was allowed. The show runner Russell T. Davies was completely responsible and he didn't terminate John Barrowman back then. So that means it was allowed. But I am not saying that he should have done it. What I am surprised about is that the other actors he was working with consented to it and that RTD clearly allowed it. That is what surprises me.
Even Camille Coduri admits in public that she consented to it, right here:
You may be looking for the report that ...... Oh, the woman has had her name changed now? The original article said who it was at BBC.No, not that article. Still looking. There is absolutely 100% a news article out there somewhere that not only names the BBC employee that lodged the complaint but it also names the supervisor that took the complaint and a claim that he or she disciplined John Barrowman and that he 'never did it again'.
Darn it, I am usually better at keeping track of stuff like that. If anyone can find that news article I would appreciate it if you would post it here.
I know it exists and I am not crazy. LOL!
Since I've caved and chosen to use this forum, I'll at least say that while Barrowman shouldn't have done what he did, I don't think he should be punished. As far as he knew everybody was okay with it. Clearly, everyone wasn't, but as much as it sucks to say: If you don't say something, nobody can know. But as far as I know, he had no reason to think what he was doing was wrong, as everyone seemed fine with it. It should NOT have happened, but this isn't like someone doing something horrible but saying 'it was okay at the time.' This is someone being inappropriate with zero bad intentions, just for shits and giggles. I doubt it came out of nowhere. It was probably something built up to. He probably pushed to see what jokes he could make and realized he basically had free reign and ran with it. He was never given an indication at the time that it was wrong and he clearly had zero poor intentions, he's clearly a very good person, it was clearly never meant to hurt anybody. I fully believe that if he had been told to stop, he would have. And I think he did at some point. He thought it was okay, the people around him acted like it was okay. It wasn't behavior that should have happened, but unlike sexual harassment, this is something that had no nastiness intended.
You're not alone as I have decided as of today to use this forum also and just see how it goes. Several of my posts were deleted with no explanations on the 'other forums'. Not here. On Gallifreybase which is apparently a convention website and I didn't know that.
What I am hoping for and have my fingers crossed, and I actually think I am right, this is going to be the main Doctor Who forum in pretty quick order, because they brought back the original, apparently one of the founders is original and it seems that the main issue with bully treatment of fans is front and center. I can not ignore a good faith effort like that and I will just sit here and wait and watch.
With John Barrowman there are two sides to this razor edged sword that BBC is wielding. If he was in fact inappropriate in set dealings back then a decade ago, why did BBC not do anything about it back then? I do not believe that he had bad intentions or meant to so called 'sexually assault' people. And if that had been the case back then, why would the producer, Ruseel T. Davies not intervene? Unless he supported it?
In an odd way it would seem that John Barrowman is being bullied and harassed by BBC in a situation that BBC should have professionally controlled over a decade ago.
Where is the accountability for Russell T. Davis and other staff? Why is John Barrowman being targeted by BBC for banning and harassment? Because he is gay maybe?